The Third Party

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but we, as long as I've been here, have NEVER had a say in admin.

So I guess you missed the part about two months ago where the site voted whether they wanted me as an admin or not.

I actually suggested the legends thing the first night, but I don't think it was received well.

Maybe now that everyone is willing to give a little things will get better.

I don't really see the Legends group becoming the Advisor team. While yeas, I do see the good idea, most of them aren't ever even online.

Also, I think it's a good idea to at least give the advisor idea a chance. What would the harm be in just trying the advisor out for a little bit? Before people send something out for the public to buy, they test it first. So we could do that way at the end of the trial, we could decide to keep the advisor or not.

This site is falling apart.

Sno, Gaz, I'm sorry if I have offended you.

Angel, Nico, we love you and will take you back no matter what. I'm pretty sure of that.

I see how stressed Sniggle and Zan are... and I just want to make them feel better.

The admins were planning on chariot races, but they decided to wait for the new CLs to be voted on.

The admins may not be perfect, but honestly, I couldn't do a better job, so I practically worship them. Others may see it differently.

This site was made for RPing. Not for arguments. Not for stress. But for RPing.

Apparently I proved I deserved the spot because I won the poll.

And I still do not wish to work with you BECAUSE we will both continue to fight. And then nothing gets accomplished. The hahahahhaa nope is in reference to me never being able to see it working. And the fact that I personally do not want to. And if you become adviser than I have to.

You won the poll of if they thought you should be Admin, but the members didn't get to choose who to nominate for Admin.

So, after this poll is done we'll move on to one of the other two?

Righto! Can't wait.

Up to this point, I have attempted to remain unbiased in this topic. I believe I praised and criticized both sides equally. I haven't even voted in the goddamn poll! But that's not only because I didn't want to choose, it's because I wanted the "You're both being stubborn can we all just come to a compromise where everyone gives an inch please?"

There isn't ever going to be a side where everyone is happy. There isn't ever going to be an option that everyone agrees upon, but I think a compromise would be best. Considering both sides of this crap are stubborn, and I say that in the most loving way possible, I see it as the only way to just end this thing.

We try out the advisor role. Would they be the "ruler of the site"? No, they wouldn't. Could they make mistakes? Yes they could. They're only human. We're not promoting Jesus, we're promoting a teenager. That's why I used the phrase "Try Out".
We promote someone to the role of advisor, where they'd simply give advice to the admin, offer, what they attempt to be, unbiased views on the happenings of the site, and they'd be the motivator when things slow down.
We try this idea out for a few weeks. Maybe it works out. Maybe we realize that this really helps the site and we become greater than we already are.
Or maybe we try it out and it completely fails. Maybe the opinions clash, maybe the advisor we choose isn't able to stay unbiased, whatever. It doesn't work out, we apologize to the person, and they humbly resign and things go back to normal.

We CAN NOT say what will happen unless we try. No one can predict the future. We can all give opinions on whether or not we want this, but we'll never know for sure unless we try.
And this whole brouhaha will never end unless we try.

Also, I never meant for this topic to turn into admin bashing. If you'll all notice, I PRAISED them in my first message! I think they're all very capable of their jobs. And Sno, yes. You don't see some of the things they do because they're admin. You don't see all of the things being planned because it's behind the scenes.
Could updates on what's being planned be posted more? Yes, probably. But they're still doing their jobs and they do them well.
They're freaking teenagers! Do you expect teenagers to be perfect? Cause if you do, when you become parents, you've got another thing coming to you. Teenagers are stupid. We're hot-headed, impulsive, and sometimes we're rude.
I hope you guys realize how many warnings they give you when you break rules. We're not a strict site.
And how do you repay them? At the first mistake they make you tell them they're not fit to do their job! Oh no, sorry. You people with guts tell them that. You others take to talking behind their backs and we admin find out by being PM'ed screenshots by someone who found the conversation!
We all make mistakes. Staff and members ALL make mistakes. Pointing out every single little thing that's done in a way that maybe you don't like will make you bitter.

As for who the test advisor should be... Sno, I think you're far too involved in this to be a good candidate anymore. I also think that you and the admin team will butt-heads.
This person that we choose to test out this idea will have to be someone that both the admin and the members can agree upon.
It has to be someone everyone trusts and someone everyone is willing to listen to.
If Inan is willing and has the time to come back, then I'm fine with that! Build him a statue or something! But I don't want this to be just another thing he has to deal with.
This person has to be willing. And I believe it has to be someone with fresh eyes.
Fresh eyes may mean a newer member. It may mean someone who hasn't been involved in this. It may be a Legend that has been away for a while.
Either way, they should be keeping their head down and out of this topic. Or they should be the person that's posting the "You're all being dumb" message. I haven't read everything here, but I'm sure someone has posted that message at some point in this topic.

This needs to end. This 50/50 debate is never going to go anywhere. Can't we just have a compromise? Test out the advisor. If it works, great. If it doesn't, boo-who, we tried.

Angel wrote:

Test out the advisor. If it works, great. If it doesn't, boo-who, we tried.

thats what i said in the very beginning, but no one really listened to me.

I think we should just come to an agreement and try it out. I haven't read all the posts, but I'm pretty sure most of them are arguing with each other. So, can't we just stop with the controversy, and at least try it out.

I don't like seeing my fellow CHB members argue. In fact, I hate it. There could be a chance that this could improve the site and make it even more fun. That's what the Suggestion Box is for, right? Putting ideas you think would make the site better? Well, maybe it will and we'll never know because everyone is too busy arguing with each other!

Jessica

Death, Runie, and Zelly all said both sides were acting badly. /applauds

Well, if we try it and it works, out then great! If it doesn't work out, we can stop. If we never try it, we'll never know.

Zelly wrote:

Again, I request for your personal description of the position, Sno. And, I want this to be finalized; you don't mean for you to take the position yourself? You plan for Inan, if he is willing? And, in the case that he declines, and the poll shows the want for one, who would do it instead?
My description of the Adviser has slightly changed since we all first convened, but, I would describe the Adviser as a member elected position. No current staff members are eligible to serve as adviser. This is because the member elected Adviser, gives the members a little influence on Staff decision, while still keeping the air of surprise and secrecy to possible updates. The Adviser is the voice of the people.

I don't mean to take the position unless others want me to do so. I said I wouldn't like to do such a job because I don't want to yell at the staff. Please understand that nothing I'm saying I say because I hate you as a person. I don't want to have to do anything I've done. Because frankly, I have lazy tendencies when I believe nothing needs to be done. But that's personal me, personal me, and me right now are two different things. When I'm in business mode, I'm debating a lot, I challenge your opinion, and I provide my own with backup. I've only expressed real me once since I've been back. That was when I excitedly exclaimed on the chatbox that I had found MasterMax and Inaniloquist. Yes, I would prefer Inan, Max, or Dan for this job.

P.S. The most popular solution that I've heard, is to have a complete staff wipe.


I have no more to say.

Sno wrote:

P.S. The most popular solution that I've heard, is to have a complete staff wipe.

And who the hell said that?

If it's the last thing I do, I will not ever let that happen, Sno.
Ever.

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And yet, it turned both ways. Not two nights ago I heard about an incident in which the chatbox, Admins included, picked on, and abused Hawk.

Absolutely not. Hawk came in, multiple times bringing arguing into the chat, and every time we told him to stop, and that was us "abusing" him. Members were leaving the chat, disgusted, and finally we told him that if he continued with the fighting, we would kick him. With that he said he'd pm the two members who weren't staff. Fine.

I got a pm from one of the members. The member asked me to pm Hawk and tell him to stop messaging her, because she didn't want to be involved. I did, and Hawk told me it was none of my concern. He continued to pm her. Once again, I told him to stop. Once again, he told me it was none of my business and he and her would handle it themselves. Once again, I got a pm from her telling me that she didn't want to deal with it. This continued until finally, somehow the two of them settled it and she was left alone. Or, I would assume so, but I don't know because it's through pm.

He once again brought it into chat. We once again told him to stop. Once again, more members left. He told us we were ignoring him and didn't care about his opinion. False, we just don't need fighting in the chat.

Later, Hawk apologized, and everything was fine.

So no, Hawk was certainly not abused.

And as for a staff wipe, how would that work? You'd just put people who've never been staff into the staff? Or would you put yourself and Gaz into the positions, because you claim to have so much experience on other sites. Speaking of other sites, I recall you telling me that you before you return to chb and began this whole advisor thing, that you were once a highly respected mod of another site. You got into a fight with the leader and you were demoted. And then suddenly, out of the blue you return to chb telling us we should change how we run our site? I find that rather suspicious, and would be a fool not to.

I don't remember anyone leaving chat. And you guys did DISRESPECT his opinion. I believe one of the rules here is to respect each other, staff respecting members included.

Jess. We always try our best to respect members. But when a member disrespects us? No. They no longer deserve that friendliness. And Cher left, Kenzie left and one other. I forget who.