Freaking Wow Guys.

I just want this clarified first, this whole thing with Katie was over her profile picture?

A Freaking...PICTURE?

Im just utterly confused as to how you managed to turn a Picture that YOU found inappropriate into some 'END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!?!?!?!1111' situation.

Seriously, grow up, you're all called Katie a child for how she reacted, sure, she might have indeed taken the childish road in this, but that gives the rest of you, and you all know full well who you are, NO right to call her a child, considering how you've acted, what I read in your posts were some of the most inconsiderate, childish and utterly disgusting things I've ever seen.

Now, let the haters hate so I can respond in MY way of being Mature, but still slowly venting anger in a safe way.

If theres two things I will not stand to see responding to this post, it is saying its none of my business and to stay out of it, and deleting and/or locking it because you don't want to deal with me, and for you admins, its LITERALLY your JOB to deal with me, not ignore me.

Gaz, it wasn't just a picture. The issue, starting out, may have been stupid. (Provocative pictures, exposed women with tattoos, and then Katie deleting the posts of the two members that informed her that they thought it was wrong of her to have that.) But to be honest, this was a long time coming. There was a lot of tension between all of us for reasons that actually have thought and sense behind them. I know I had my reasons for being upset. Though I may have let them out a little too harshly, the pictures and post deleting was the breaking point for me. As well as Katie accusing Crispy of double accounting when she honestly didn't. That's what really put me over the edge. Because Crispy was dragged into something that she was not a part of in the first place.

Your reasons are justified for being upset because Katie was your friend, and maybe this whole thing was blown far out of proportion because of a lot of built up anger and frustration, but it still happened. And I don't regret letting out my anger.

So I do apologize for this to you, Gaz but if it wasn't the reasons today for my breaking point. It would have been something else. This would have happened eventually because I couldn't hold in that much anger anymore. It was running me dry. So I would have ended up flipping out for another reason, and then Katie would get mad, and then I would get madder, and one of us would have left.

alrighty.

1. I looked through, and there aren't any tatoos on exposed women, and seriously? provocative? Thats clothes that most regular teenage girls would wear.
2. Theres no rule against deleting unnecessary posts, in fact, its a staff members job to get rid of posts that shouldn't be there or are in the wrong place. Because this should have been PM'ed, not bashed in her's and everyone elses faces.
3. You can't get very much mileage on a misinterpretation of an account when you try to use it as a reason.
4. Who said its just because shes my friend, because if you say Im upset solely because shes my friend, your ignoring all my points, and trying to make me look like the bad guy.

And thats an unintelligent thing to do considering you have admitted to holding a grudge against Katie AND think thats a justifiable reason to be a complete jerk and tell her shes going to hell.

At least I admitted I had anger against Katie rather than lying and saying I didn't. I'm trying to be honest here. And I'm not trying to make you look like the bad guy, Gaz. I was apologizing because I thought you were friends. I was trying to be considerate and apologize if I hurt you by causing her to leave.

She deleted the tattoo pictures. Which was good of her. Those were just the reason the two members posted their suggestions in the first place.

And those posts had a right to be there. The concerns were about her characters, so the place to put them is her character topic. Admins post concerns about members characters in their topics. So the posts were deleted without permission from the members or true reason. Admins only delete posts if they're unnecessary, which they weren't, or if they break rules, which they didn't. So there was no reason for those posts to be deleted without Katie getting permission from the posters, which is how the argument started. And again, as I said, it escalated for various reasons for all of us.

And I wasn't mad because Katie accused Crispy of double accounting, I was mad because she brought it up in an argument that Crispy didn't deserve to be pulled into. If she was, in fact, Skipping Stones then she would deserve to be pulled into it because she was the one posting. But Crispy IS NOT Skipping Stones. I guarantee you that. Crispy is my friend, and sometimes I get defensive of my friends and get a little too angry.

Was this entire fight stupid? Yeah, probably. Was I extremely rude in my post to Katie. Yes, I was. Overly rude as a matter-of-fact. I'm not going to deny that because it'd be stupid. Was my rudeness truly justified, no it really wasn't. I openly admit I was too rude in that post. And I will take any punishment that comes with it.

But that still doesn't change the fact that I'm glad I said a lot of that stuff to her. I could have worded it better, but I'm still relieved that I got my anger out. Even if it was unjustifiable. Am I a bad person for that? Yep, I am. I worded that far too rudely and that was a mistake on my part. But I can't just say: "Oops sorry, my bad. I take all of that back."

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As I so often do? Are you freaking kidding me? xD I left once, skank. ONCE. And the reason I was rude to you, to be perfectly honest, is because I don't like you. You're annoying, you're power hungry, you take credit for other people's ideas, you think you know everything, you're rude, and you complain about every SINGLE member on this site. And please, don't bother staying around. I think this site would be better of without you. I have never said anything because I have had no need. I have been polite as possible to you through the year I've been here, but insulting me, insulting my friends, and bringing Crispy into this (because here's a little hint, whore. THAT'S. NOT. CRISPY. That's a coincidence that her e-mail is the name of a member. I could tell you who that member is. Because I know them. But it's not Crispy. She isn't involved in this.)
You call ME a quitter for leaving because this site was too much for me to handle? And then you decide to leave because we called you wrong for having drunken sex, having a profile/character picture where the girl is hardly wearing a shirt, and post pictures of girls with tattoos that are in exposed areas of the body? Are you kidding me? Maybe I hadn't completely thought my leaving through, which is why I decided I missed my character, but if you leave over this you're more of an idiot than I thought you were.

You want to flip out over this post? Fine go for it. I probably deserve it. But you know what? I'm letting out all of the hatred and anger I have felt towards you for the past year. You have never been my friend. I have never looked up to you. I honestly felt bad for you when Moo deleted your account, but I soon realized that she should have deleted it again. You're power hungry Katie. (Not ambitious as you so politely put it.) You suggested yourself to be admin. And the only reason you suggested me was so that you didn't seem like your ego was the size of Texas.
Your posts have gotten shorter and shorter and honestly I consider you illiterate now. Your characters are weak with hardly any info and your posts are barely four sentences. There are people on this site that work hard for each post. Rempy, Moo, Skipper, Crispy, Dan, and countless others. But you set the example of being an admin with a weak and hardly descriptive post? That's just crap, Katie. And if it is a long post, it's because your character is having drunken sex or leading up to drunken sex.

You can insult me all the hell you want. Because this didn't start out as my issue. But I stuck my nose in because I felt I needed to (and maybe a little bit of my own personal enjoyment of pissing you off. But hey.) But if you insult my friends because they corrected you on something you shouldn't even need corrected about then you're in for a heap of hell from me you little hypocritical hoe.
So yeah, take that time you want to "revaluate" what you've done for this site. (a.k.a nothing. The thing your most known for is the Drachma system, and that was Crispy's idea in the first place.) However, please don't feel like you need to return. Because I know I personally would through a party if you decided to leave, and I know about twenty other people that would as well. Probably more to be honest.

Have a nice life in hell, Katie. :] I hope it's nice and toasty "down unda".

You are such a hypocrite. You never called me childish? Fine. Lets look and see what you did call me, hmm oh yea there's a few.

Now let me go back and think real quick.

Who was it that sent me a page long PM complaining about how whiney and needy Selene was to you? Who was it that told me to go put that in your juice box and suck it? Who was it that completely bished me out for telling you why you were made a part of the staff. Who says she was going to leave then, two weeks later comes back and asks for everything back? Who was it that has made countless false allegations against me? I think we all know.

DINGDINGDING! And our winner is Angel. YOU sent me that PM, that PM which I have lost, and now you turn to Selene and tell her with a clean conscious that I was the one making fun of her behind her back? You know what How about Dan or Nico or some Admin goes and gets that PM out of the Admin place, THEN you can tell her how evil I have been to her.

YOU insulted me, you're such a hypocrite. You're sick of the fighting and you know this place is for children but you still feel the need to go at me with what little you have right? While I went OUT OF MY WAY. To make sure there would be no words found inappropriate in my post. Oh and that little thing about 'sticking it in my juice box and sucking it?' I read that. Guess what I did? NOT A DARN THING. I sat there read it and said 'Whatever.'

YOU flipped at me for telling you why you were where you were. Again all it takes is a mod or admin to go and pull those two posts out and show them exactly what you and I both said. Then you can go tell me to grow up.

YOU came back after you said you were done, I find it suspicious, after two weeks you come back and magically get everything back.

YOU have accused me of stealing ideas from everyone else. Here's a clue! Back in oh let me count.. March? Of last year I originally suggested drachmas being added as a currency, BEFORE we had any admins. If you look in the Admin place from now back to when I was made blue you'd see 90% of the topics were made by me. Now look at the news and announcements, every single topic that was made by me was my original idea. If it wasn't I gave credit to those who's it was.

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I don't miss the people on this site. I don't miss the fights, I don't miss the chat box, I don't miss it. But there are a few things I do miss. Being the Dionysus cabin leader, being the Dionysus cannon player, and roleplaying my characters. I may very well come back just for those reasons. However, I do not want to be a mod, I do not want to be an admin because to be perfectly honest I dislike most of the staff now. Most of you I'm PM'ing this too I do still enjoy being around. (You know who you are.) Those that I don't like, I'm sorry. I'm not going to be rude to you, but I won't pretend we're friends either. I'll simply be indifferent.
So what I want to know is, would you all be open to be returning to the site, not getting on the chat box, only roleplaying with a few people, but being the Dionysus cabin leader/cannon player again?
PM me on here, I'll be checking in later today and then a few days later for responses.

Thanks.

@Angel
you forgot to mention how you were just a childish as your side of the arguement called Katie.

But other than that, yeah, your right, and grudges are bad. :)

Also, stop apologising to me, I don't care if people are sorry they kicked out my friend, go apologise to my friend for being a complete ***hole to her just because you don't like her.

And about the whole 'we have children on the site' thing.

I wan't to point out Music is 12 and knows ALL about this stuff, and you all call her mature and at least 99.9% of the other young kids aren't going to be scarred for life by a girl in a shirt that reveals, oh, oh dear god not... her bellybutton.

Its safe to say that this picture is not a hazard for anyone on this site, regardless of age.

And seeing as that is so, that argument and all other arguments that followed it are just ways for a few members of this site to let out their grudges against Katie.

Yes, I did complain about Selene. But you seriously expect to say that you didn't complain either? And Selene, I apologize for doing so. I shouldn't have and I'll understand if you're mad at me. But Katie, you can't honestly say that you haven't complained about multiple people on this site. And I have too. I won't lie. I'm not saying I wasn't at all in the wrong. I was as much in the wrong as anyone on here.
And no, I didn't miss the members or the fights, or the chat box when I left. I missed roleplaying. I missed my characters and I wanted to roleplay them again. And when people asked me why I came back that's what I said. "I missed my characters." I'm not going to lie and say that I missed them when I didn't.
Katie, I was wrong to tell you to 'stick that in your juice box and suck it.' I should have handled that more maturely and I should have handled the whole incident in your character topic more maturely. I'm sorry I was unjustifiably rude to you, Katie. But I still think we both were in the wrong here.
And as far as I knew, Crispy was the one to suggest the drachma system before either of us were blue. And if I'm mistaken I apologize for that.
But I'm not going to sugar coat this. I insulted you. I did most of the things you accused me of. But you did most of the things I accused you of as well.

On the bright side, I've done no wrong :D


(As a side game, lets spot the optimist in the room)

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Katie, you were a good admin. More often than not you handled things better than I did. I was angry about a lot things when I was so rude in that post. Some of them were directed at you, and some at other people. I really am very sorry for directing my anger towards people and life in general at you. I think I just saw that as an outlet to vent and jumped at the opportunity to do so. I wasn't there to witness you saving the site, but I thank you for doing so. I hope that we can be civil to each other.

As of now there is a truce. We have both apologized and others involved who I feel I owe an apology will soon receive something either tonight or early tomorrow. What Angel said was she didn't want to split the site in two. I agree, so I would ask all of you to not go and choose sides.

Truce.

Thanks for posting this, Katie. I was wrong go say what I did. I handled this whole situation the wrong way and I am deeply sorry for it. For those that I have hurt, I hope that you will forgive me. And for those that were willing to take sides to protect me, I thank you but I don't want you to do so. Splitting this site in two is not what it needs and it would he wrong of me to do so. Those that I have hurt or gotten dragged into this I will also or have already sent you an apology.

So yes, truce.

So now we just gotta calm things with the others involved.

Gaz, to be honest, I think we should let the people actually involved handle this. You didn't really have much to do with it, so you talking to the others involved won't help, considering that you weren't really involved, OU just manages to get stuck in the middle of it.

I'm part of the reason Angel Apologised, so I think I'm doing a damn fine job at this and since someone I know is involved in it, I'm involved.

You'd think that after the last time people on this site did something like this to Katie you'd have all figured out that if you involve her in something this ridiculous, you involve me.

Its a package deal. And it works very efficiently, its just the people on the other side don't wan't to admit it.

Yet after all of this stuff happens, everyone openly expresses their hate for Katie, and you all mysteriously don't mention my name at all, as if it will prevent me from showing up xD.

Those topics were in the graveyard before the truce. Maybe when they are out.

And me being harsh? Im still trying to be as polite as I can stand to be.
Also, since the only problem right now is me, you should just send this in PM, since you've stated that its not a public matter, and just a matter of me.

I'll stop and apologise for my actions when everyone else who was involved apologises to each other.

Meaning they apologise to Katie, and Katie apologises to them.

But for now, Im sorry you found my PM hurtful, but I was just stating facts.

I don't plan on dragging crispy, Dan or Zan into this, they weren't involved.

I'll respect your reasoning, but first I'd like to know what it is.

I know that me and Katie have apologized to each other, so this is pretty much resolved Gaz. I'm not telling you to stop posting on here, I just thought you should know.

You guys, we really should end this. This is over with. Gaz, whilst you may be being as polite as possible, this is over with and does not need to be discussed. Let's put an end here before this escalates.

Now, I know that the problem is that Admins "keep running from this situation," but I would like to move this topic to the graveyard to symbolize that everything has been handled. PM me if you want it put back in the chat, okay Gaz?